There are some theology questions that I don’t like to get involved in. It’s not that I don’t have answers, it’s that I don’t share the intuition about the problem. One of the things that I’ve learned over the ye)ars is that without fully appreciating the problem, a person is less likely to have a helpful answer. When I was providing technical support over the telephone, I once had three customers back-to-back that asked the same question with the same words but meant three different things. The question was, “Why do the printer drivers lock up my modem?”
One person wanted to know the mechanics of it all: this printer had originally been designed for a serial rather than parallel ports, and when the drivers would detect a device on the serial port, they tried to make contact. Since it was a modem and not a printer, it caused problems. There was a patch to fix it.
The second person just wanted the fix. Actually answering the “why” didn’t interest them.
The third person was rather on the technical side and had already solved the problem. They wanted to know how our engineers had let such an obvious oversight get past us. To which, the only answer I ever had was that people make mistakes and we fixed it as soon as we realized it was causing problems.
I know that I fully satisfied the first two. I understand their position. I share their intuition. When something strange happens, I want to know how it works behind the scenes that breaks and I want to know how to fix it. Sometimes, I don’t have the time and I just want it fixed, though. I understand all that. Been there, done that. I had to call to get things fixed so often that eventually they started letting me take calls to fix other people.
The third one I couldn’t answer because I didn’t really understand what they wanted. I never imagine that the first version of any driver or software is going to be problem free. The variety of computers out there is just too wide to fully test every possible configuration before letting it out the door. We’re human. We don’t make perfect software. That’s the way of things.
It’s possible that there was something deeper behind the question than an expectation of perfection. If so, I didn’t get it. It was definitely clear that they had very high expectations of the driver team. I’ve written a few apps in my days, and I know better than to think that software might be the best it can be when it’s first released. There are more variables in software and hardware than any developer could ever hope to account for. The appropriate reply, the reply based on a knowledge of the difficulties in software development, is “Oh, good, you’ve fixed it.” It seems to me that any other response is spoken in ignorance unless sufficiently explained.
I run into the same kind of problem when talking about theology. There’s a certain kind of teaching out there that claims that whatever a Christian wants will be granted as long as it meets some kind of minimum criteria. I don’t get that teaching. Even though I don’t get it, there are people that are abandoning Christianity because of it. They have earnestly prayed for things that they needed and they didn’t get them, so they are leaving the faith.
Sometimes God does answer prayer. I used to end my Kung Fu classes with prayer. One day, a student was complaining that it was raining and he had a mile to walk home. So I added in a request that the rain would stop, and it did. Students were talking about that for a month. Particularly, the topic was that I normally just ended with The Lord’s Prayer without additional petitions, and the one time I added one it “worked.” When they would ask me about it, I would say, “It never hurts to ask. The worst that can happen is that God says no.”
One thing that I want to start with today is that I understand the hurt of asking for a thing and not getting it. I held my dying child in my arms begging that he will be healed. I don’t claim any special insight into which prayers will be answered and which will not. One thing is clear to me: it’s not the desperation of the one praying. The casual request to stop rain was honored, the desperate begging to heal my son was not.
I didn’t lose my faith when my son died. It didn’t shake my faith. I didn’t question God. I had a robust understanding of prayer at that point. While I firmly hold that it didn’t hurt to ask and I held the door open for hope right up until my son was buried. I never expected anything, though. As such, while it did hurt and I don’t think I’ve ever really recovered emotionally from the loss, my faith and my emotions are not strongly connected, so the impact on my faith was negligible.
Over the years, I’ve had people raised in churches that push this kind of agenda try to convince me that this is the real thing that must be believed. I’ve always pushed back against this kind of teaching. Sadly, it comes in such a variety of forms that I can’t address all of them here. I’m going to address some of them, though, and hopefully someone can use this as a framework to address these thoughts within themselves.
The first problem that people present is the idea that if God loves us, he would do what we want. This is the first place where I run into problems with those that have this view. Love is not simply doing everything that someone wants. Past that, love isn’t something that God does, it’s what God is.
When my daughter was little, I was accused of being too free and relaxed with my daughter. When she would ask for candy, I never said no. One friend was concerned about this, and said that this would lead to selfishness. “Candy, then cash, then cars,” they warned. This has not turned out to be the case.
I had tricks to not have to say no, though. I didn’t keep a lot of candy on hand. Even when I did have candy around, I didn’t tell her about it. Often, the answer wasn’t, “You can’t have candy,” but, “We can get a little candy tomorrow.”
As my daughter has grown up, there have been times that I’ve put her into uncomfortable places to expand her mentally and emotionally. After coming out of COVID, she was quite shy, and I enrolled her in a gaming league at a local game store to help get her out of her shell. She was not a fan at first, but now she loves it. I home school her, and require her to do an arithmetic refresher almost every day. She only pulled the, “If you really loved me, you wouldn’t make me do my math today,” on me once.
So right off the bat, those that measure the love someone has for them in terms of what they’re willing to do for them already starts from a place that I fundamentally disagree with on two points. They’re measuring love wrongly, and they’re giving God the wrong nature. To be clear, both “love” and “God” are just words and anyone can pour any meaning into either of them that they want. All they’ve proven with this definition of love and God is that the God of giving them whatever it is they were asking for isn’t real, though. Since that’s not the God of the Bible, the God that most serious theologians teach, or the God of historic Christianity, all those of us in those circles can say is, “I don’t believe in that God either. Now that you’ve rejected this false God, let me introduce you to the God I believe in.”
There are other ways to approach this, though. There are Bible verses that can be made to sound like this when you take them out of context and embroider them on a pillow. Before I attempt to address any of these, it’s important to remember that whatever you think about God answering prayer has to be consistent with what happened to Jesus in the garden before he went to the cross.
And he took with him Cephas and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. And he cometh unto his disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Cephas, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed [is] willing, but the flesh [is] weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me. And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of his twelve disciples, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.
Matthew 26:37-47 Corrected King James Version
Then, when the Apostles tried to fight the Roman guard, Jesus said, “Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?” (Matthew 26:53-54 Corrected King James Version) So the idea that Jesus thought the Father was unable to rescue him is inconsistent with the image scripture gives us. Whatever else you read, wherever else you read it, it must be considered in light of these passages.
With that said, I’m going to look at a couple of passages that I’ve seen people go to when they try to show that God answers prayer. The first is easy enough to deal with: “Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may spend [it] in your pleasures.” (James 4:3 Corrected King James Version) For some people, this implies that the only reason God doesn’t answer the prayers of a person is because they’re evil. This leads into a complicated and destructive cycle of trying to be good enough to get their prayers answered, then testing their own righteousness by the degree to which they get what they want. For too many, the exit ramp of that cycle is atheism.
There is one thing that I would like to make clear at the onset: I would actually rather this person were an atheist than stay in that destructive cycle. As odd as it may sound, I’ve met many atheists for whom I feel the need to say, “Thou art not far from the kingdom of God” (Mark 12:34 Corrected King James Version) only after they abandoned the kind of thinking entailed in this destructive circle. If we Christians were once called atheists, it should not be surprising to learn that there are still some atheists closer to God than some of the modern pagans attending services in our Christian churches every Sunday morning.
Let’s start by analyzing this in terms of Jesus in the garden: there was never anyone more righteous and worthy of acquittal than Jesus. No one was ever closer to the Father. Jesus’s very being was God. He was without sin. There is no sense in which Jesus failed to get what he requested simply because he asked amiss, so that he could spend it on his pleasures.
The next thing is to notice what is really happening here. The verse doesn’t say, “If you do good, then God will always answer your prayers.” So, who is the “ye” in this case?
A text without a context is a pretext for a proof text. This is particularly true when there’s a second person pronoun. Then it’s worth taking a look around the verse to get a sense of what it’s saying. Something that some people do is take the verse being examined out of the text, and read before and after. The verse will be adding to the discussion it’s a part of. So let’s do that with James.
Whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your pleasures that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and covet, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war; ye have not, because ye ask not… Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore would be a friend of the world maketh himself an enemy of God.
James 4:1, 3-4 Corrected King James Version
Without the text under consideration, the passage very clearly is not a discussion of prayer, it’s criticizing people for doing poorly.
That gives us a framework to approach another text that gets used this way. “Again I say unto you, [That] if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 18:19 Corrected King James Version)
Once again, thinking about this in terms of the surrounding text helps.
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, [then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed also in heaven… For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Matthew 18:15-18, 20 Corrected King James Version
Once again, when you look at the context, this is talking about church discipline, not about prayer. Let me make an analogy: if I were directing a crew building a house, and I turned to a worker and said, “You didn’t get much done yesterday,” and they complained that they had been sabotaged by another employee and showed video to back up their claim, then I said, “I will do whatever you want. Just ask,” it would not be within the spirit of the conversation for them to request a steak dinner. They might ask that the other employee be fired. They might ask that they be reprimanded. They might just ask that I be more patient with them. Those would be within the spirit of the conversation.
Similarly, Jesus is describing what to do when you have a problem with a fellow believer here, and saying that the decision of the church regarding the unrepentant will be supported by God. Asking for a winning lottery ticket is outside the scope of that. Even asking for a good place to sleep is outside the scope of that.
That brings us to the most difficult to deal with regarding this issue. “And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.” (Matthew 21:22 Corrected King James Version) The thing that makes this more difficult is that this one really is talking about prayer, even in context.
Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered. And [when] he saw a [fig] tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. And when the disciples saw [it], they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away! Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done to the fig tree], but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. And when he was come to the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority? And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things. The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
Matthew 21:18-25
I included a little more after the immediate context partly so that it’s clear I’m not cutting things short. Here, Jesus is clearly talking about prayer and faith. As part of talking about prayer, it says that if you ask in confidence, you’ll get it. I again point the reader to the episode in the garden. If this really meant that Jesus could ask to remove the crucifixion, then it failed. It must mean something else, then. There might be a hint in the section that follows, though. When Jesus confronted the Pharisees about John the Baptist, they could not answer Jesus in confidence. They fell into their own trap that they had tried to set for Jesus.
I think that Jesus is speaking hyperbolically here. I think he’s saying that we need to act honestly and in confidence rather than deceptively and sketchy. But rather than expand on that, I’m going to admit that I might be wrong. I’m open to other examinations of this section. The one thing that I’m not open to is an interpretation that runs counter to other things we see in scripture. However a person looks at this, it needs to work with the rest of scripture rather than against the rest of scripture. Any claim that this is impossible is blatantly false, since I’ve just provided an interpretation that incorporates the surrounding context and works with the rest of scripture.
If you or someone you love has been trapped by the kind of theology that insists God needs to give you whatever you want or measures your righteousness by their perception of how well God treats you, I want to say that I’m sorry. This is not true theology. There are better churches and theologians out there. Even if you’re not in a place to access one of those churches, I would rather see you leave the church entirely than remain in that kind of system. If you think there’s something about this theology that I don’t understand, please leave a comment on my blog and we can discuss it.